Muon emerges as a strong competitor of the AdamW for LLM pretraining, because the matrix-wise update it employs can potentially incur smaller second-order penalty than the once dominating AdamW, which performs coordinate-wise update. However, the spectral flattening procedure in Muon is quite debatable since it discards the spectral amplitude information totally. To seek for better spectral allocation (and the associated spectral subspace), we propose to solve the quadratic model of loss function under the spectral norm constraint \textit{directly} (i.e., in a genuinely Newtonian way) and thus obtaining the Quadratic Spectral Descent (QSD) algorithm. In contrast, many existing curvature-aware methods either exploit the second-order information in an \textit{implicit} way by changing the weight update geometry (such as Mousse, FISMO) or rely on strong assumptions (such as the weight displacement isotropy assumption in Newton-Muon). QSD's potential advantage over these methods is best illustrated in the isotropic curvature scenario, where Mousse, FISMO and Newton-Muon all reduce to Muon while the spectral allocation in QSD is still \textit{non-flat} (since the spectral allocation in QSD depends on the \textit{gradient to curvature ratio}). Meanwhile, to control the complexity of QSD, we employ inversion-free K-FAC and \textit{online} Frank-Wolfe update which is essentially a matrix sign operator. Overall, the complexity increase can be rather mild. Experiments on GPT pre-training show that QSD consistently improves validation loss over Muon and recent Muon variants, while achieving up to an $8.49\%$ wall-clock speedup at matched validation loss.
Recent successes of matrix- and curvature-based optimizers have renewed interest in how update geometry shapes learning. These methods normalize or precondition updates, changing how different components progress during training. In deep matrix factorization, the geometry that slows gradient descent (GD) favors low-ran...
This work proposes MomentUm SpEctral Clipping (Musec), which replaces Muon's spectral flattening with spectral clipping: rather than setting all singular values of the momentum matrix to approximately one, Musec clips singular values that exceed a threshold while preserving the underlying spectral structure of the mome...
Zhuang-Hua Liu, Meng-Li Wang, Luo Luo· 2 citations
We study the generalization of spectral gradient descent (SpecGD) in overparameterized matrix classification with corrupted labels. Each input combines a shared low-rank signal with a rank-one sample-specific perturbation, referred to as a shortcut, that enables memorization but does not generalize. We contrast collaps...
The decomposition-free logarithm is both faster and more accurate than the spectral logarithm and than the square-root approximations it replaces, and at matched basis and degree the log target beats the square-root target, confirming that the gain comes from the faithful Riemannian map rather than from a better polyno...
Md Rifat Ur Rahman, Md Raihan Khan, Md Sakib Hossain Shovon et al.· 0 citations
Muon is emerging as a promising alternative to AdamW for large-scale neural network training, yet theoretical understanding of its practical implementation remains incomplete, as existing analyses often simplify or omit two key components: (i) practical Newton--Schulz iterations with empirically tuned polynomial coeffi...
Hao-Nan Wang, Yu Wu, Minghui Liwang et al.· 0 citations
Stiefel-AdamW is introduced, a near drop-in replacement for AdamW for use wherever such blocks appear, and it is shown that the resulting optimizer inherits both the stability benefits of Riemannian methods and standard convergence guarantees.
Emanuele Zangrando, M. Sutti, Francesco Tudisco· 0 citations
Related blog posts
MIT News · Artificial Intelligence· news.mit.eduOct 13, 2026
Machine-learning networks can learn without detailed instructions from a designer. Those that do may offer insight into how the brain reorganizes itself during learning.
MIT News · Artificial Intelligence· news.mit.eduSep 29, 2026
Professor Sherry Turkle’s new book, “Artificial Intimacy,” offers a withering critique of chatbots and the antisocial dynamics she believes they encourage.