Pre-norm is the standard normalization placement in modern Transformers because it facilitates joint optimization of full-depth models. We ask whether this preference persists when depth is introduced through a curriculum. In curriculum depth growth, each appended block receives the boundary representation produced by a trained prefix, making normalization placement relevant to forward conditioning. We therefore test whether placement and training curriculum interact. In a controlled distillation study with a Qwen3-8B teacher and a nine-layer student, pre-norm and post-norm are indistinguishable under joint training, differing by $0.0004$ validation CE, while post-norm improves over pre-norm by $0.0328$ under curriculum growth, an order of magnitude larger. A post-joint control matched by student active-layer tokens remains worse than post-grow, which rules out compute as the sole explanation. The ranking crosses over during the curriculum: post-norm takes the lead once blocks are appended. Single-block and freeze controls localize the ranking change to block appending rather than shallow-block quality or retraining. Boundary diagnostics associate post-norm with stable residual scales and pre-norm with structural-token scale drift; on a fixed batch, the final pre-grow block is also nearly identity-mapped. Together with the phase-wise crossover, these observations are consistent with boundary-scale conditioning after new blocks are appended. The results motivate treating normalization placement and training curriculum as coupled design choices in this distillation setting.
Post-training alignment is often shallow, eroding under fine-tuning. It remains untested as to whether constitutional midtraining interventions can produce durable alignment when cleanly isolated from post-training. We build a 394M-token constitutional corpus from Anthropic's Constitution and apply constitutional midtr...
D. Cho, Cameron Tice, Bernie Hogan et al.· arXiv.org· 1 citation
Knowledge distillation trains a smaller student to match the outputs of a larger teacher. Feature-based methods also align intermediate representations, but this extra constraint may affect students differently. We study this question on CIFAR-100 using a ResNet-50 teacher, a width-controlled CustomResNet family and Mo...
Multilingual evaluations report accuracy at a single output-token cap, but languages need different numbers of tokens to express the same content, so the cap is a hidden experimental variable. We test whether the native-vs-translate gap on MGSM (German, Thai, Swahili) is a token-budget artifact for Qwen3-8B and Llama-3...
A cross-dataset transfer observation on SVHN, where direct base-model generation without curriculum warmup yields 27% peak SR at substantially lower accuracy than the CIFAR-10 equivalent, is reported, consistent with the increased synthesis difficulty of the unq-family anchor architecture.
Anujaya Vijayakumar, R. Timofte, Dmitry Ignatov· 0 citations
This work investigates whether curriculum-based prompt selection can improve sample efficiency for Countdown arithmetic reasoning by focusing training on prompts near the model’s current competence boundary, and introduces an adaptive competence-boundary curriculum for RLOO.
Karishma Aggarwal, Sheng-Yong Niu, Daniel Schreck· 0 citations
Following complex instructions with multiple explicit constraints remains a fundamental challenge for large language models (LLMs). Existing alignment methods, such as DPO, optimize holistic reward signals that often underemphasize strict satisfaction of individual constraints, particularly under out-of-distribution or...
Jiangli Hong, Chen Cheng, Quan Liu et al.· 0 citations
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