This work identifies activation error, rather than weight error, as the dominant source of FP4 RL instability: weights can be synchronized and aligned by a shared quantization-dequantization path, whereas activations are recomputed online and error is amplified by the coarse E2M1 grid.
Abstract
Rollout generation is a major bottleneck in Reinforcement Learning (RL) for Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) Large Language Models, motivating low-precision rollout acceleration such as FP8. As an emerging low-precision format, NVFP4 combines fine-grained scaling for accuracy preservation with native W4A4 FP4 GEMMs for higher throughput than FP8. However, we find that directly applying NVFP4 to MoE RL rollout is impractical. NVFP4 rollout with BF16 training collapses after roughly 150 steps, accompanied by rapidly growing rollout-trainer log-probability gaps. Through training-inference error analysis and controlled ablations, we identify activation error, rather than weight error, as the dominant source of FP4 RL instability: weights can be synchronized and aligned by a shared quantization-dequantization path, whereas activations are recomputed online and error is amplified by the coarse E2M1 grid. Therefore, to stabilize NVFP4 RL for MoE, we propose QUantization-error Alignment across Dual Sides (QUADS). On the trainer side, we introduce Asymmetric Quantization-Aware Training fake-quantizing weights while keeping activations unquantized for better alignment. On the rollout side, Residual Activation Compensation corrects high-error activation channels while preserving native W4A4 GEMMs. In our MoE RL experiments on several benchmarks, QUADS achieves BF16-level accuracy, improves average pass@1 by 21.49 points over naive NVFP4 RL, and delivers ~16% higher rollout throughput than FP8.
HiF4 is established as the enabling format for end-to-end FP4 RL post-training, and Rollout Residual Quantization (Rollout-ResQ) is established as the activation-side mechanism that makes the gap to BF16 closable.
H. Mak, Shadan Golestan, H. Le et al.· arXiv.org· 0 citations
The sample efficiency and scalability of RL post-training for video MLLMs and introduces OraRL, a decoupled advantage estimator that scales with model size and data, surpassing its backbone from 0.8B to 9B and GRPO up to 100k prompts.
Yunheng Li, Guohong Mu, Hao Li et al.· 0 citations
Noise-Contrastive GRPO is introduced, which injects scale-calibrated Gaussian noise into the last hidden layer of the prompt-encoding pass for half of each rollout group, branching those rollouts from a displaced departure state and integrates into a standard RLVR pipeline as a ~50-line change to the inference engine.
Michael M. Jerge, Joseph Pelczar, J. Downes· 0 citations
Stable 4-bit floating-point (FP4) pretraining is difficult because the E2M1 payload represents only a narrow range of magnitudes. NVIDIA's Transformer Engine \nv{} recipe addresses this with current-tensor scaling, a randomized Hadamard transform (RHT), and bfloat16 (BF16) final layers, adding work outside the FP4 matrix multiplications. We instead pair E2M1 payloads with unsigned E5M3 (\ue{}) block scales. Their wider range permits periodic tensor scaling, while our recipe applies selective stochastic rounding to backward gradients, omits RHT, and uses FP4 in all eligible internal linears. We pretrain a Nemotron-H 8B model for nearly 190 billion tokens. Compared with Transformer Engine \nv{}, the proposed block-16 recipe finishes with lower final-window training loss and, under their respective quantized-inference policies, lower validation loss measured as held-out negative log-likelihood. Its quantized-inference downstream point estimates are also higher on all three reported aggregates. A native \nv{} execution ablation that jointly removes RHT and the BF16 final-block exemption increases measured model-body token throughput by 21.2\%. These results demonstrate end-to-end software-emulated \uefp{} pretraining with a simpler recipe and motivate native support for \ue{} block scaling.
Standard supervised fine-tuning (SFT) assigns the same explicit loss weight to every expert demonstration, regardless of the model's changing competence over training queries. Reinforcement learning (RL) based methods adapt update strength using model-generated rollouts, but often require substantially more sampling and can be unstable on hard tasks. We propose \textbf{Online Self-Weighted Fine-Tuning (OSW-FT)}, a simple method that augments SFT with online, trajectory-level weighting. For each query, OSW-FT estimates the model's current success rate using a small number of inference-only rollouts and rescales the standard SFT loss accordingly. The optimization direction remains anchored to the expert trajectory, while the update magnitude adapts online. For binary-verifiable reasoning, we connect this weighting to SFT and RL at the gradient level, inspired by variance-reduction principles. The resulting estimator is unbiased for the exact OSW-FT surrogate update for any finite rollout count, and we analyze convergence with respect to the corresponding surrogate objective. Evaluated across Qwen3 series ranging from 0.6B to 4B on multiple challenging benchmarks (e.g., AIME), OSW-FT consistently improves over SFT on small-to-medium scale models. OSW-FT offers a favorable compute-performance trade-off as a practical approach for fine-tuning small-to-medium LLMs on binary-verifiable reasoning tasks with only \textbf{2 online rollouts}.
Hai-Quan Wen, Yiwei He, Bei Peng et al.· 0 citations
QUASAR is introduced, a QAT method that continuously performs lightweight, loss-aware reconstruction in the training loop to lower the loss floor and improve the resulting low-bit model, establishing QUASAR's objective as a principled optimization target.
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