This work proposes a low-precision training framework based on 2D block FP4 quantization, which enforces transposition-invariant scaling and preserves consistency between forward and backward computations, and combines this with truncation-free scaling and stochastic rounding to control quantization error and maintain unbiased gradients.
Abstract
Reducing training precision is a key lever for improving the e ciency of large language model (LLM) training, but pushing beyond FP8 to 4-bit oating point (FP4) remains challenging due to instability during optimization. We identify a fundamental source of this instability in existing microscaling approaches: scale inconsistency induced by tensor transposition. In conventional 1D block quantization, forward and backward passes assign di erent scaling factors to the same values after transposition, leading to biased and unstable gradient updates. To address this issue, we propose a low-precision training framework based on 2D block FP4 quantization, which enforces transposition-invariant scaling and preserves consistency between forward and backward computations. We further combine this with truncation-free scaling and stochastic rounding to control quantization error and maintain unbiased gradients. To handle the sensitivity of attention mechanisms, we adopt MXFP8 quantization for query and key projections, yielding a practical mixed-precision design. We evaluate our method on dense LLMs up to 7B parameters and a 30B Mixture-of-Experts model, trained on up to 100B tokens. Across all settings, our approach achieves stable end-to-end FP4 training and closely matches BF16 performance, with less than 1.3% degradation in perplexity and downstream accuracy. These results demonstrate that enforcing forwardbackward scaling consistency is su cient to enable practical FP4 training at scale, providing a simple and e ective pathway toward more e cient LLM training.
SCHUROPT is introduced, which analytically eliminates the suffix's optimal continuous response, yielding an exact groupwise quadratic with Schur-complement curvature, and achieves the highest mean zero-shot accuracy among the evaluated backpropagation free PTQ baselines.
Gunjun Lee, Sehwan Son, Younjoo Lee et al.· 0 citations
Stable 4-bit floating-point (FP4) pretraining is difficult because the E2M1 payload represents only a narrow range of magnitudes. NVIDIA's Transformer Engine \nv{} recipe addresses this with current-tensor scaling, a randomized Hadamard transform (RHT), and bfloat16 (BF16) final layers, adding work outside the FP4 matrix multiplications. We instead pair E2M1 payloads with unsigned E5M3 (\ue{}) block scales. Their wider range permits periodic tensor scaling, while our recipe applies selective stochastic rounding to backward gradients, omits RHT, and uses FP4 in all eligible internal linears. We pretrain a Nemotron-H 8B model for nearly 190 billion tokens. Compared with Transformer Engine \nv{}, the proposed block-16 recipe finishes with lower final-window training loss and, under their respective quantized-inference policies, lower validation loss measured as held-out negative log-likelihood. Its quantized-inference downstream point estimates are also higher on all three reported aggregates. A native \nv{} execution ablation that jointly removes RHT and the BF16 final-block exemption increases measured model-body token throughput by 21.2\%. These results demonstrate end-to-end software-emulated \uefp{} pretraining with a simpler recipe and motivate native support for \ue{} block scaling.
Post-training quantization (PTQ) is essential for deploying large language models (LLMs) under strict resource constraints. State-of-the-art PTQ methods quantize each layer with a single closed-form second-order solver: to remain analytically tractable, they heavily approximate the global loss (dropping cross-channel coupling, pooling output rows into groups), and they then freeze the resulting Hessian across the entire layer, with no way to refresh it as the loss landscape shifts column by column--a phenomenon we call information misalignment. We propose REAL-Q (Real-time E2E-loss Aligned LLM Quantization), a novel PTQ paradigm that breaks this compromise: instead of diluting the objective for the sake of analytic tractability, REAL-Q targets an end-to-end-aligned surrogate of the global loss and refines it via fine-grained, dynamic Block-wise Gradient Descent applied after every column block (128 columns). By coupling this fine-grained correction with a sliding window mechanism for smooth cross-layer transitions, REAL-Q effectively mitigates error propagation across the network. On LLaMA-3.1 (8B and 70B) and Qwen3 (0.6B-32B) at W4A16, REAL-Q reduces end-to-end KL divergence by up to ~49% relative to state-of-the-art globally-guided methods.
Qian Zhang, Yao-Ming Li, Zheng Tan et al.· 0 citations
Large language models (LLMs) achieve remarkable performance but are expensive to deploy due to their enormous size. FP4 quantization, with formats such as MXFP4 and NVFP4, offers an appealing solution with native hardware support on modern accelerators. However, maintaining accuracy under FP4 precision remains difficult. A key bottleneck lies in scale optimization: existing methods tightly couple the quantization and dequantization scales, forcing both to conform to the discrete low-precision format required by hardware, such as E8M0 in MXFP4. Yet the quantization scale is never stored and need not obey this constraint, suggesting a significant untapped optimization space. In this work, we propose FOCUS, a post-training quantization framework with end-to-end scale learning for FP4 Optimization via Coupled-Relaxation and Dual-Granularity Scaling. Coupled-Relaxation Scaling (CRS) relaxes the tight coupling between quantization and dequantization scales with a learnable full-precision coefficient, enabling more effective optimization without breaking hardware compliance. Dual-Granularity Scaling (DGS) further refines the quantization scale at a finer sub-block granularity, allowing more precise adaptation to local weight distributions. Experiments across multiple LLM families and benchmarks show that FOCUS achieves state-of-the-art FP4 accuracy under both MXFP4 and NVFP4 formats, while introducing no additional inference overhead. Code and quantized models will be released at https://github.com/tencent/AngelSlim.
Xianglong Yan, Hong Liu, Chengzhu Bao et al.· 0 citations
Transformers are known to have internal continuous symmetries that leave outputs invariant, while modifying quantization. GaugeQuant leverages this in-training by introducing a LogSumExp term to the loss that breaks the symmetries, thus selecting a basis that minimizes activation outliers. A stop-gradient operator ensures that only rotation matrices are updated, yielding the language modeling objective completely unaltered. Our requires no specific calibration data, no quantization simulation, and adds negligible training overhead. With the LLaMA-2 7B model under W4A4 quantization with group size 128, perplexity drops from 8.22 to 6.73, competing with post-training methods that require frozen models and calibration datasets. Under W4A16, perplexity drops from 11.16 to 5.45. Code is available at https://github.com/MPedraBento/gauge-quant.
OJBKQ is proposed, a layer-wise PTQ method that formulates weight quantization as a joint optimization problem over activations and weights, yielding a multiple-right-hand-side box-constrained integer least squares (BILS) problem per layer.
Xinyu Wang, Ziyu Zhao, Peng Lu et al.· 0 citations
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